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rdwadsw -

Hi, Can anyone please confirm that this tattoo actually means 'Elizabeth' if not does it mean
anything?



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xiaojiang216 -

The name Elizabeth is commonly translated into Chinese as 伊丽莎白 Yi1 li4 sha1 bai2 (Queen
Elizabeth's name is translated that way).

Your tatoo says 依利莎伯 Yi1 li4 sha1 bai3, which phonetically is identical except for the
last characters. I presume that this is just another way to write Elizabeth, provided that there
are several "versions" of names when translated phonetically into Chinese.

An interesting discovery: I found 依利莎伯 as a 港译 translation for Queen Elizabeth










skylee -



Quote:

I presume that this is just another way to write Elizabeth, provided that there are several
"versions" of names when translated phonetically into Chinese.

An interesting discovery: I found 依利莎伯 as a 港译 translation for Queen Elizabeth

I am glad that you have discovered it. [Next time I think I might single out all those
大陸譯法. hmmm ....]










madizi -

The last character (伯) is not bai3, but bo2. Yi1 li4 sha1 bo2.










skylee -



Quote:


Originally Posted by madizi

The last character (伯) is not bai3, but bo2.


There are more than one pronunciation for 伯 - bo2 and bai3 and ba4.

I've watched some Taiwan TV series where 伯伯 is pronounced "baibai".










madizi -

I know, but isn't it so that when transliterating foreign names, the first pronunciation is used
(as in this case, bo2)?










skylee -

Who decides which is the first pronunciation?

I guess you mean some pronunciations are more common than others, and thus should be adopted in
transliteration, right? I think there is not a standard, so it is really flexible. French director
Francois Truffaut is known as 杜魯福 in HK, 楚浮 in Taiwan, and 特呂弗 on the Mainland.
And they are all ok. So if I transliterate "Elizabeth" to 依利莎伯 and pronounce it yi1 li4
sha1 bai3, I think it is ok. (Actually the name is pronounced Yee Lei Sa Bak in HK and I think it
is ok too.)










h.way -

commomly we translate Elizabeth into 伊莉莎白，just the way we call the queen Elizabeth
yi 1 li4 sha1bai2
There are several pronunciation for 伯:bo2 bai3 ,when we overlapping it ,it sounds like
bai1bai(in a extremly softy voice,which we means 轻读）










madizi -

I see. Maybe I'm attached to explanation of one of my teacher at sinology who said that in
transliteration of foreign names the first pronunciation of character is used. But as it seems,
this isn't so.........










chenpv -



Quote:

There are more than one pronunciation for 伯 - bo2 and bai3 and ba4.

Add one more, 伯 is generally pronounced as bei2 in Shaanxi dialect. However when it comes in
pairs as 伯伯, the first character slightly changes into the third tone, thus reads bei2.5bei2.












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