Wednesday, December 24, 2008

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Forum: Adsotrans.com Forum 23rd February 2008, 03:22 PM

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Chinese Text-Processing + Learning Tools

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Chinese Text-Processing + Learning Tools

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Re: Chinese Text-Processing + Learning Tools

This is great stuff. Will be getting a new server for the Adso stuff (currently down) in
mid-January. Would love to host/distribute this stuff with the main release.



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Tuesday, December 23, 2008

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Why Do You Learn Chinese?(ple help me with the survey)

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My wife is Chinese, and although I promised her...

My wife is Chinese, and although I promised her I'd learn when we got married I didn't put a great
deal of effort into it. Then she taught our son to speak putonghua and of course he can talk
rings...



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Monday, December 22, 2008

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Forum: Speaking and Listening 14th August 2006, 12:23 PM

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dashan 大山, Igor(from taiwan) and any others who have disgustingly good chinese

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AFAIK the "lets learn English industry"...

AFAIK the "lets learn English industry" in Taiwan is pretty huge. Probably an understatement and
although people in Taipei, and some other cities, can manage with English it's actually very
common to...



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Sunday, December 21, 2008

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Forum: Speaking and Listening 9th February 2006, 02:16 PM

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Tips for beginners?

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hahaha I am in exactly the same boat.. All I...

hahaha I am in exactly the same boat.. All I need to do now is fill in the gaps between all the
"zhongguo" I can hear and my listening comprehension will be at 100%.. :mrgreen:

I'll be interested...



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Saturday, December 20, 2008

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Forum: Speaking and Listening 20th July 2005, 12:27 PM

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Pinyin used in Taiwan?

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It sound like a ch to me. The 英文名字 thing could...

It sound like a ch to me. The 英文名字 thing could possibly be replace with 外文姓名 or
罗马字姓名.



Forum: Speaking and Listening 19th July 2005, 05:48 PM

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Pinyin used in Taiwan?

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I also have always wondered why a q is use for a...

I also have always wondered why a q is use for a ch sound.



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Friday, December 19, 2008

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Forum: Speaking and Listening 3rd July 2004, 08:20 PM

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Married to a Chinese in the U.S.?

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good for you! hope the rest can follow your...

good for you! hope the rest can follow your example...
you have indeed saved Roddy a lot of trouble - give yourself a pat on the back



Forum: Speaking and Listening 3rd July 2004, 06:32 AM

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Married to a Chinese in the U.S.?

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ok, everything in order: 1. Learn how to use the...

ok, everything in order:

1. Learn how to use the damn quote function! it's not that hard, people... :roll:

2. badboi has you beat on statistics a 100% (no pun intended), so give it up...



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hahaha - hillarious... he tore you up into...

hahaha - hillarious...

he tore you up into pieces, man :roll:



Forum: Speaking and Listening 28th June 2004, 06:10 AM

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We should be proud to be shallow?? :conf

We should be proud to be shallow?? :conf



Forum: Speaking and Listening 28th June 2004, 05:56 AM

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Married to a Chinese in the U.S.?

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Jealous? yeah right.... :roll: There is at least...

Jealous? yeah right.... :roll: There is at least a billion Asian women out there... When I see a
white guy marrying one of them, it doesn't quite make me feel jealous (I don't know about other...



Forum: Speaking and Listening 26th June 2004, 04:41 AM

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Married to a Chinese in the U.S.?

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I think the primary reasons for asians dating...

I think the primary reasons for asians dating white guys are mostly practical in their nature.

When we are talking about Asian women from abroad who marry or try to marry foreigners, often
times...



Forum: Speaking and Listening 24th June 2004, 11:38 PM

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Married to a Chinese in the U.S.?

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calibre > Yes, I've heard several...

calibre > Yes, I've heard several Asian-american males tell me the same thing. It's not only the
portrayal of Asian men as unsexy, but the general lack of Asian men on american television,
especially...



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Sorry, Sandra, but what were you trying to say??...

Sorry, Sandra, but what were you trying to say?? I am a bit confused...

As for Beijingbooty's remark - it sounds like the stereotypical white guy's explanation of this
phenomenon...I mean, I agree...



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Thursday, December 18, 2008

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Forum: Speaking and Listening 24th January 2004, 12:45 AM

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most embarrassing moment while learning Chinese

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Gao chao means climax. It could be the climax of...

Gao chao means climax. It could be the climax of a story, the climax of a sport game, or yes the
climax of sex. I don't think gaochao for high tide is wrong, but the chinese are sensitive to
words...



Forum: Speaking and Listening 26th November 2003, 10:09 AM

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btw 同志 is from 志同道合, and it means "having...

btw 同志 is from 志同道合, and it means "having the same interests". It's a pun played on
同性恋。



Forum: Speaking and Listening 26th November 2003, 09:45 AM

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tongzhi is a relatively new slang word for 同性恋,...

tongzhi is a relatively new slang word for 同性恋, and it is used as so throughout china now,
too. maybe more so among younger generations.



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Wednesday, December 17, 2008

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Forum: Speaking and Listening 3rd November 2006, 10:11 PM

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Chinese roots in other languages

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Just curious... which is better - 大漢和辭典 or 漢語大字典?...

Just curious... which is better - 大漢和辭典 or 漢語大字典? I was given to understand
that 大漢和辭典 was the best, until 漢語大字典 came along and superceded it. Anyway, I
think 漢語大字典 is partially written using 簡體字...



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Chinese roots in other languages

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I would really love to listen to how the 道德經...

I would really love to listen to how the 道德經 sounds in the various Chinese dialects and
other East Asian languages (Japanese, Korean and Vietnamese), as transcribed by Shibo77 above
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Tuesday, December 16, 2008

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Chinesepod.com-Does it really work?

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Re: Chinesepod.com-Does it really work?

Just to back to the original question: does Chinesepod “work”? There is no way that I can
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Monday, December 15, 2008

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Steve Kaufmann - How good is he?

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Re: Steve Kaufmann - How good is he?

I think he is an excellent user of Chinese, but there are little things-things that to my ear
aren't really even annoying-that give him away as a non-native. He has lots of native-like traits
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Sunday, December 14, 2008

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New Antiwave Podcast 人民大会谈4 - “东南西北”宋以朗 (下)

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Re: New Antiwave Podcast 黑莓之外的选择

I just strange the message "This is an automatically generated post...". I feel it looks like a
kind of RSS feed. but it is not the normal feed what I used.
I know that the people can subscribed the...



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New Antiwave Podcast 人民大会谈4 - “东南西北”宋以朗 (下)

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Re: New Antiwave Podcast 黑莓之外的选择

what's meaning for the following message:
> This is an automatically generated post to alert users to a new Antiwave Podcast
why all the posts from the antiwave podcast were added this message?
is it...



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Saturday, December 13, 2008

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How could I get better at tones?

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Re: How could I get better at tones?

I think the latter is more likely to be true. I have the same impression taht tones are not
pronounced when spoken quickly. They are! Try listening on the slow speed to a recording - I had
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Thursday, December 11, 2008

Chinese Mandarin - Pronunciation of 暖和 -








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gougou -

I learned it as nuan huo, which is also what my dictionaries have. Google IME doesn't come up with
it for nuan huo, yet finds it under nuan he. Microsoft IME finds it for either. I can't remember
ever hearing anybody say nuanhe, so is that outright wrong, or an alternate usage like these.



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muyongshi -

Outright wrong! But since you brought up that thread I remembered another one to add to those
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imron -

Perhaps it's a change they made to their Sogou database, to make it less like the Sogou database.
QIM (for Macs) uses the Sogou database and correctly gets it as nuanhuo. Nuanhe gets you 暖合。










Josh2007 -

Foreigners are generally taught to pronounce it nuanhuo. But: there are plenty of Chinese who do
pronounce it nuanhe. If you stay in China for longer and get out into the provinces you will
probably meet many people who say nuanhe, and nuanhe is listed as a valid alternative in the ABCD
dictionary.

One could query the status of entries in Wenlin. After all, the most authoritative lexicographical
source on standard Chinese is the Contemporary Chinese Dictionary which does not give nuanhe as an
option. I believe that many of the Wenlin entries that are not from the Contemporary Chinese
Dictionary are from the larger Da Hanyu Cidian (which has 400,000 words and was a project directly
supervised by the State Council). Anyway, I am not sure whether Wenlin is listing it as a
substandard alternative, or as a genuinely recommendable alternative, but I think you will find if
you ask Chinese people that they do accept nuanhe as a valid alternative pronunciation. Sometimes
learners have to learn a sort of "ideal type" of a language, and come away with fixed viewpoints
owing to the way the language was taught them. The real language may be more fluid, and so native
speakers may have a broader concept than learners. The bottom line is that foreigners should say
nuanhuo as the default variant, but if any of your Chinese friends say nuanhe, it's not
necessarily wrong.










jonaspony -

I learnt nuanhuo, but all my Chinese friends used nuanhe and assured me either was OK.










fireball9261 -

I learned nuanhuo from my parents and relatives, but we are southern Chinese, so... In school, I
think I learned nuanhe. I also accept both as good pronounciations.










Quest -

I say nuanhuo, huo is an older pronunciation.










HashiriKata -

The common pronunciation for 暖和 is /nuǎnhuo/ but the very similar looking 缓和 is read
/huǎnhé/.

Josh2007: any dictionary al all is capable of containing mistakes, including Wenlin (I use Wenlin
and I do occasionally spot mistakes there: some are typos, some are simply due to lack of
knowledge).










Josh2007 -

HashiriKata, my Chinese friends have frequently commented that translations of various chengyu in
Wenlin are wrong, or have the wrong point. I don't have a list, but 痴情 is supposedly a
褒义词, not a negative word, but the English translation "unrequited love" makes it sound bad.
There are lots of things like this.










hhjk9901 -

NUAN HUO is correct.

Don't be confused with the pervasive mistake, for it still a mistake. Just as:

坐骑 zuo qi, not zuo ji
骠骑 piao ji, not piao qi
阿弥陀佛 a mi tuo fo, not e mi tuo fo












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Wednesday, December 10, 2008

Learn Mandarin online - Translating images -








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gogol -

Hi,

Is there any tool that can recognize and translate chinese characters from an image or photo?

I often go to a chinese restaurant, but some dont have english translated menu for their "special
menu".

So, I took a photo of them (see attached) using my camera

I am thinking if there is a software that can translate from image, that would be very nice!

Especially if it can be run in mobile phone.

PS: Can anyone help to translate the attached images?

Regards,

GGL



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c_redman -

http://users.belgacom.net/chardic/cocr2.html works fairly well, but not for all images.












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Tuesday, December 9, 2008

Learn mandarin - ZDT 0.7.0 Available -








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bogleg -

The new ZDT 0.7.0 final release is out and available for download. If you've been playing around
with the RC builds, you'll mainly notice various bug fixes. Special thanks to forum posters
drahnier, rabbit, cwmccabe and jbradfor ( and others) for all their help finding bugs or adding
features.

You should see some more requested features being implemented in upcoming builds, so look out for
them. Please check out the ZDT blog for a full list of changes. Thanks!

Chris



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Luobot -

Hi Chris,

Sorry if I’m asking questions that are probably answered somewhere else, but I couldn’t find
it on a search of “ZDT install” or “ZDT upgrade.”

My questions are:

- Is it ok to install 0.7.0 on top of 0.6.1 or do you recommend that I first uninstall 0.6.1 and
do a fresh install of 0.7.0? (I’m installing on Windows XP SP2 MCE)

- If you recommend an uninstall / new install, then is there a way to transfer my preferences and
such from 0.6.1?

Thanks!










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Hi Luobot,

You should be able to install on top of 0.6.1. You will lose any extra plugins you've installed
however, and you'll have to download them again. I made a change to where the ZDT workspace folder
is located in 0.7.0 which is what holds your preferences. Instead of being in your ZDT install
directory, it is now located in your user home directory (where your user database file is
located). So I haven't actually tested this yet, but before you trying to install 0.7.0 you could
try saving your existing 0.6.1 workspace directory and then moving it over to this new location. I
would actually be interested in hearing if this works or not.

Thanks

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Luobot -

Hi Chris,

I tried doing as you suggested, and it seemed ok until I tried accessing help > help contents,
when I received an error message referring to line 11. I'll see if I can upload screenshots with
this post.

It's not a show stopper but thought you would like to know. I'm not sure if it's because I copied
the workspace directory back or if it would have occurred anyway for some other reason. I'm
considering uninstalling and reinstalling to find out. What would be your suggestion? (Have others
with Windows XP had no problems accessing the help system?)










Luobot -

After clicking Yes ...










bogleg -

Before uninstalling, can you send me the log files? Go to Help > Report Bug, and send me the
resulting zip file.

Thanks

Chris










Radial -

I just installed 0.7.0

I like to add entries with serveral characters. I am having problems because it will not autofill.
In the previous version, it would autofill, at least, the tradtional characters and pinying. Now,
it just sits there. With inividual characters, there is no problem.

Has this functionality been changed... or is there something about the preferences that I need to
adjust.

Thanks,

Mark










Radial -

Another question... I gave up trying to put works into 0.7.0 and went back to 0.6.1

Was trying to set up a new category and got this error message....

(executingPreparedStatementCallback
[org.springframework.jdc.cor.JbcTemplate$SimplePreparedStatementCreator@ef0cdb]): encountered
SQLExceptiong [Column count does not match in statement [INSERT INTO category VALUES(?,?,?,?]];
nested exception is java.sql.SQLException: Column count does not match in statement [INSERT INTO
category VALUES(?,?,?,?)]

Doesn't mean much to me... but it is stopping me from creating new catagories.

Thanks again.

Regards,

Mark










trevorp -

I just installed 0.7.0

However i get the following error message when trying to create new categories

Bad SQL grammer [SELECT category_name From category order by CATEGORY_ORDER] in task 'excecuting
StatementCallback'; nested exception is java.sql.SQLException: Table not found in statement
[SELECT category_name FROm category]

i rolled back java from 1.6.0 to 1.5.0 but still same error

using windows vista

installed 0.6.1 and getting similiar corrupt database errors










Radial -

I removed the zdt directory... reinstalled 0.6.1... and got rid of the problem with not being able
to create new categories.

I tried again with 0.7.0 and it still will will not automaticly fill in multi-character entries...
this is a major problem for me and I will keep to 0.6.1 till this can be addressed.












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Monday, December 8, 2008

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imron -

Is it just for your brothers and guy friends? Why not write something like 铁哥们儿 - "Iron
Brothers"



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trungyy -

sooo theres no translation for "always beside you" without sounding lyk u luv him/her ?










Lu -

Seems there is. (I took the liberty of correcting your English, hope you don't mind.)


Quote:


Originally Posted by trungyy

So there's no translation for "always beside you" without sounding like you love him/her?




Quote:


Originally Posted by Yiwan

常伴左右 sounds fine if you say to your siblings.













heifeng -

just get a 兄 on one shoulder and a 弟 on the other shoulder. That way they can always be by
your side(s), and unless you get it lasered off they'll always be there!

兄弟= brother, but can also be similar to buddy or 哥门










amormio -

陪你到永远










muyongshi -



Quote:

陪你到永远

Once again, only would say that to your lover....










鱼香肉丝饼 -

不离不弃 seems better










Yiwan -

One may be your 铁哥们儿, but it doesn't mean he has to be always beside you. Know what I
mean? And do you have to say 儿? Does any non-native really speak like a Beijing-ren?










imron -



Quote:

One may be your 铁哥们儿, but it doesn't mean he has to be always beside you

Not always beside you, but definitely always there for you.


Quote:

Does any non-native really speak like a Beijing-ren?

At least one.










Lu -

哥们儿 is just a northern expression, I don't think it can go without the 儿. That would just
make it sound like a southerner making an attempt at using a northern expression and getting it
wrong in the process.

I like heifeng's idea, it adds another dimension to the idea of Chinese character tattoo, and
makes it a lot less pointless.












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Sunday, December 7, 2008

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can anyone please tell me what this means:
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It means:

"Are you Chinese?
I speak Chinese."

And it wasn't written by a Chinese person












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Saturday, December 6, 2008

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Friday, December 5, 2008

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Lu -



Quote:

provides a better translation for the English "to line 5"

This crossed my mind too, but I am convinced that for a subway sign in Beijing, the original
language would be Chinese not English, so if there is going to be any translation, it's going to
be from Chinese, not to it.
Also, if it's grammatically incorrect in the language it's translated to, it's not a better
translation.



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文言訓開班 -

Well, regarding this I'm keeping in mind two things. The first is that I always hear Chinese refer
to Chinese as a 感语 rather than a 法语, and the second is that the Beijing Olympics are
gearing up. It may be that the Chinese was changed to be more fitting to the English in lieu of
the Olympics.










Quest -



Quote:

provides a better translation for the English "to line 5"

No, 往5号线 would be a better translation for "to line 5". 去往5号线 sounds annoyingly
redundant and unsophisticated.










skylee -

yes redundant is a good description.










yonglin -

Hmm... maybe they actually need the semantic nuance entailed in 去.

If you have two subway lines connecting at a station, then in Beijing, it must be the case that
there are two different walking routes connecting the two, each of them one-way only. (Actually, I
bet that one is just down the stairs and the other one is about 500 meters around the entire
block.)

Now, of course 往 does actually entail one-way direction in itself, but it is - in my opinion -
not nearly half as strong as 去往 if you want to command people to keep on the right track!












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Thursday, December 4, 2008

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Hot Opal -

I am trying to translate a friends name into Chinese.
His name is Brian McCowan.
I have found Brian on Dict.cn: 布赖恩
Can anyone help with the whole name?
Thanks,
Neville.



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Quote:

Brian McCowan

My attemp is 布莱恩•麦考文 (bu4 lai2 en1•mai4 kao3 wen2 ).

Thanks!










Hot Opal -

Thanks Studentyoung.
I don't expect this would have a precise translation so I guess I will have to accept this as
being close enough.
Regards,
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Wednesday, December 3, 2008

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zozzen -

And btw, as we're getting old, I often find it difficult to acquire new vocab instantly. My
friends seemed to think "it's as easy as an apple and orange, you should get it", then they thrown
a lot vocab into my memory. Once we rided on a car , he tried to translate everything on the road
to me. "Hey, that's a car... that's a motor, it's air-conditioning, a tire, pedicab, a rear
mirror, an engine, windows...." That proved disastrous because I finally got nothing.

Many repetition is just needed. I would prefer to learn not more than 10 vocab every day, and
repeated it many times in a conversation.



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Tuesday, December 2, 2008

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shibole -

Greetings!

I'm attemping to use the Cheng & Tsui Integrated Chinese series (level 1 part 1) textbook with the
aid of my wife (a literate native Chinese speaker). I'm using the textbook and the workbook, but
not the audio CDs or the character workbook. So far I like it a lot.

I think my wife is probably better than some audio CDs and the character workbook is probably just
a bunch of blank squares to write characters in, so I didn't buy those. I wasn't going to use the
non-character workbook because I was afraid that it depended too much on the audio CD's, but
luckily the publisher was kind enough to make some sample lessons from the workbook available on
their web site so I could determine that this wasn't the case.

Anyway, there seem to be no sample pages for the L1 pt 1 character workbook available. Can anyone
tell me how many times the character workbook recommends that you practice each new character and
whether or not it contains any content beyond blank grids and large printed versions of the
characters to practice that might make it worth $20?

Thanks for any help/advice you can offer.



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Jeremy@TCE -

It doesn't give advice on how many times to practice a character, but there are like 7-8 blank
spaces.

The character workbook doesn't have much more (if anything, it's been a while) than stroke order
and nice big boxes (squared off) to practice characters in.

Useful but probably not worth $20 - plus you can get similar things for Chinese people (but with
much more challenging characters)










shibole -



Quote:

It doesn't give advice on how many times to practice a character, but there are like 7-8 blank
spaces.

7-8 blank spaces or 7-8 blank lines? I'm assuming there'd be a blank space for every time you're
supposed to practice the character....

Thanks










WangLongju -

As we wrote in the Preface, the more you practice characters, the more it should help you to
remember them. Of course, there's a lot of writing to be done in the Workbook as well, but for
people just beginning to learn to read and write Chinese characters, we (and other teachers in the
field) felt that a Character Workbook (CWB) is indispensable as a guide to the development of
proper stroke order and and proportions.

That said, the CWBs for both L1-Part 1 and L1-Part 2 are more than just a collection of boxes to
write characters in. We've also provided stroke order (by numbers superimposed on large
characters), frequency data on each character, pinyin pronunciation, English definition, radical
indicators, present both Simplified and Traditional forms together, and each character written
stroke by stroke (later becoming component by component). We also have included some puzzles and
word games directly related to the vocabulary in each lesson.


Jeffrey J. Hayden
Co-author, Integrated Chinese, Character Workbook










Rrina -



Quote:

plus you can get similar things for Chinese people (but with much more challenging characters

This got my attention. Details, please...










shibole -



Quote:

That said, the CWBs for both L1-Part 1 and L1-Part 2 are more than just a collection of boxes to
write characters in.

Thanks for the info. Are there any sample pages from the L1 P1 book available?










WangLongju -

> plus you can get similar things for Chinese people (but with much
> more challenging characters)

But this won't necessarily keep a student focussed or on track. That's the thing about Character
Workbooks designed along with specific textbook vocabulary -- they are presented in a context and
are presumably recycled and reinforced as the textbook moves along, thus strengthening the level
of familiarity of the characters as well as the connections in short and long term memory. This
allows them to be more easily recalled when needed as time goes on. The practice, however, needs
to be fairly regular and frequent.


.










WangLongju -

> Are there any sample pages from the L1 P1 book available?

Please see attached. Do note that this PDF is generated directly from the computer file; my
co-author's final pennings of the characters stroke by stroke as in the published book were done
after I sent him hardcopies of the pages.


.










shibole -

Woohoo! Thanks!

Though I can probably get by without it, I just ordered this from Amazon (they have it in stock,
C&T store doesn't, and I have a free month of free 2 day shipping) partially for what it provides,
and partly to support the author and company in producing this great series of books. Keep up the
good work!










roddy -

Also good to see more authors helping out their readers on the site!












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Sunday, November 23, 2008

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Can anyone help out in giving tips on where to get hold of some Baijiu in London. It's not that i
really like the stuff, but i seem to have had really great nights ever time i've drunk it, I also
want to share that first experience of it with my friends at home!
The taste didn't become nice, but it certainly got less bad during my last trip to China. As with
a lot of things I meant to get before going home, I forgot to get a couple of sports bottles of
Baijiu...

If anyone knows of somewhere in London where it can be obtained, I'd be thankful indeed. Had a
search in chinatown the other day, but no luck. My friend from HongKong has never heard of it so
can give me tips about which supermarket to go to.

Or if any one has any great Baijiu thoughts or stories to share, I'm sure I'll get a kick out of
them.

Those in china now have a Baijiu for me tonight! (or just send me some )



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liuzhou -

I've bought Bajiu in London's Chimatown supermarkets many times. Have a closer look!

There are also a couple of off-licences on Old Compton Street in Soho which may have.










adrianlondon -

As liuzhou says. Chinatown and Soho are neighbours so you may be able to get it in the big off
licence on Old Compton Street (the one with loads of bottles of whiskey in the window).

You can definitely get it from the liquor counters in the larger Chinese supermarkets in
Chinatown. I don't think it's with the sake and rice wine (which are on the display shelves) but
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Saturday, November 22, 2008

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frustrating the see this after having just added some 40+ new items to a category and then trying
to save it:



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In any situation where something like this happens, please send me the log files. I can't do
anything without them. It should be easy now from the RC2 build going forward. Just go to Help >
Report Bug and it will generate a zip file that you can send to me with all the information I need.

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Friday, November 21, 2008

Learn mandarin - Name given to me by a Taiwanese lady-a bit strange -








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Dachrei -

So I lived in Taiwan from the ages of 2-7 years old. I was given a Chinese name by a close friend
of the family that is Taiwanese. 包柏凱 Bao Bo Kai. I went to China this summer after 13 years
of not really having contact with enough chinese speaking people to tell them my name, and when I
got there first my teacher said my name was "interesting", then a girl laughed when I said my
name, then another said it didn't flow very well, then another asked if I picked it myself, which
I now assume is because it's definitely not a standard Chinese name.

Since I'm no longer in contact with the lady that gave me my name, I'm a little bit puzzled as to
whether or not it is a good name. I did hear from two people that thought there was nothing wrong
with it. I suffered a bit of a blow to my ego after spending my entire life thinking that it was a
good chinese name, since a Taiwanese lady picked it, and then having these experiences.

I do know the reason, relayed to me through my mom, as to why the lady chose the name. The Bao was
chosen since it's close to my last name. The Bo part was chosen kind of as a way to conjure up the
image of a tall, strong, person. The Kai part is originally a different character meaning warrior
but no one else I've met has ever seen it before so now I'm using 凱 to get the same sound. Keep
in mind that the lady that gave me my name graduated top of her class in ancient Chinese studies
so I am giving her the benefit of the doubt as to whether or not that character exists.

The only explanation I can think of is that maybe my name sounds better in Taiwanese since the
lady spoke Taiwanese. But I only know that the Bao part is the same sound. So if anyone knows
Taiwanese I would greatly appreciate it if you could let me know how it would be pronounced.

Sorry for the long post, but I'm a little bit distraught from this summer after finding out that a
name I held in high esteem my whole life may be a bad name after all.



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skylee -

Sorry I don't know how the name is pronounced in Minnanhua. But I think the name is ok. I'm not
sure why some people find it funny/interesting.

I am curious what the original character for Kai is. Could it be this one ->
http://humanum.arts.cuhk.edu.hk/cgi-...ry=wholerecord










muyongshi -

Got my curiosity up...

bao isn't a typical 姓 though right? The rest sounds find but I've never heard bao as a xing
before.... confirmation anyone?










skylee -

包 is a common surname. Haven't you heard of 包拯 aka 包青天?

http://humanum.arts.cuhk.edu.hk/cgi-...ry=wholerecord










muyongshi -

He he...brain fart....










cdn_in_bj -



Quote:

bao isn't a typical 姓 though right? The rest sounds find but I've never heard bao as a xing
before.... confirmation anyone?

I was curious about this too and looked it up on a list of Chinese surnames ordered by frequency -
it was 186th on the list.










gato -



Quote:

包柏凱 Bao Bo Kai. I went to China this summer after 13 years of not really having contact with
enough chinese speaking people to tell them my name, and when I got there first my teacher said my
name was "interesting", then a girl laughed when I said my name, then another said it didn't flow
very well,

Boba means "breasts" in the Minnan dialect used in Taiwan. You might have heard of people
referring to "Pearl Milk Tea" as Boba tea. I don't know if that's why people find this name funny,
though.










Lu -

Boba tea? I thought they called it 'bubble tea'. Might have misunderstood though.

If the lady who gave you the name was well-versed in classical Chinese, she would have made sure
it sounds fine in Mandarin as well as in Taiwanese. I don't think that's the problem. The name
does look unusual to me, but not weird or funny.

柏 can also be pronounced bai, but I don't think that makes it sound better. Maybe you can ask
your teacher why it is 'interesting'.

Came across an article the other day by a man named [surname] Baibo, with some rather unusual
characters. At first I thought it read Bobo. Poor guy, must be mispronounced all the time.










gato -



Quote:

Boba tea? I thought they called it 'bubble tea'. Might have misunderstood though.

Yes, Boba as in boobies. See the connection?










muyongshi -

If I say "boba" fast it sounds like a slurred "bubble". Maybe that's where the term really came
from...












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Thursday, November 20, 2008

Chinese Tutor - Any online tutorial on Henanese -








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zozzen -

After arrived in Henan, it's surprised that many henanese refuse to speak Putonghua with me. Some
said it looked weird to speak Putonghua in their local environment, but when i insist that i can
only understand putonghua, some really find it hard to speak it, although both dialects share many
commonality.

Then it's a big frustration. Although i'm perfectly confident at my putonghua, i only understand
very limited conversation even if they speak very slowly. Not only the many intonations are
different (sound seems mostly the same with putonghua), the vocab is often very short that a
single word can mean a lot than putonghua.

Today, i tried to ask my friends in Henan to introduce me some teaching material, but none of them
have an idea on it. All of them also find it so hard to specify the difference between both
dialects.

Any idea about their difference? Any good learning material? Thanks in advance!



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wushijiao -

Hey Zozzen. I lived in Henan for a year, and my wife is from Henan, so I go back there about once
a year for Spring Festival.

Here's my take on it: generally speaking, most people from Henan can't speak Putonghua. They just
speak Henanhua (or, to be more accurate, Luoyanghua, Nanyanghua, Kaifenghua....etc). Part of the
reason is that, for reasons of economics, some people rarely ever travel beyond their city or
town. So, for a lifetime, all the people they come into contact with speak the same way that they
do.

Assuming they can speak Putonghua, in some social settings, it would be somewhat pretentious for
them to do so. For example, imagine that there are three friends from some village in Henan. One
of them is gets a great job in Beijing working for a multi-national comapnay. Later, he returns to
Henan, and speaks to his old friends in standard Putonghua, instead of his village's dialect. His
friends, most likely, would feel a bit like he "sold out", or that he now feels that he is better
than them.

I once worked at a college in Henan. The college's students were from all over the province. In
their first year as freshmen living in the dorms, many times in the first week or two the new
students had communication problems speaking to their roomates, because everyone spoke their
hometown's dialect. In fact, some students bought "standardize your Putonghua" books and tapes, so
that they wouldn't face discrimination when seeking work in big cities outside of the province.

Unfortunately, it does work the other way around: there are no practical learning materials for
learning Henanhua, especially aimed at the foreign learners market, as far as I know.

So, I don't think there is much that you can do. Try your best to listen to catch on to how they
speak. Make friends with people who can speak standard Putonghua. Sooner or later you'll get used
to it.

Also, if I were you, I'd mention at the start of a conversation that you can only understand
Putonghua, and ask if they can help you by speaking Putonghua, and speaking it slowly. If you find
that they can't speak Putonghua, then there is no need to push the issue, because I'm sure they
might feel a bit embarrassed by the fact that they can't speak Putonghua perfectly. Also, keep in
mind that some people are speaking in relatively standard Putonghua (perhaps for your sake), but
their Putonghua will naturally carry with it some of the aspects of Henanhua. This is the same as
any place in China. Shanghaiese people speak Putonghua in their style, Beijingers in their style,
Hong Kongers in their style...etc.










zozzen -

the explanation matches exactly what i see in the past week. some locals i met seemed proud to
tell me how they forgot their dialect when left for other provinces, and how they re-remembered
their dialect when they came back. putonghua still means the previlege to going outside and higher
education here. that is really surprising to me as both dialects are really similar.

after staying here for a week i still find it difficult to imitate thier tones, but i begin to
understand some henanese of some people (perhaps they are speaking henanese putonghua instead of
henanhua).












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Tuesday, November 18, 2008

Chinese School - Awesome Chinese PDAs? -








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optical -

Hi everybody,

I read engadget a lot and they are always talking about these awesome devices that come out only
in China for not much money (comparitively) so I was wondering, is there a really great windows
mobile (or others, I'm open) PDA cell phone I can buy here and not anywhere else that supports
Chinese and English language operation? I'm totally new to buying devices here so any info would
help - especially a rough price range so I don't get the lao wai idiot tax added on.

Thanks!



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Monday, November 17, 2008

Chinese Class - Liaoning Normal University via HYCC -








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Jamoldo -

Here's my detailed review of my experience at Liaoning Normal University and Mr. Toga's company
HYCC.

I got into Dalian's airport where I was greeted by a local student named Peter. He was really
polite and enthusiastic, telling me about himself and Dalian while offerering me some fresh fruit
and water. Peter got me settled into my dorm at Liaoning Normal where I had booked the cheaper
single. But it looks like the admin at the dorm messed something up and so I got a double (but
with no roommate since there were no singles left). About a day later, thanks to a lot of
wrangling by HYCC's Mr. Wang and Adam, I was given the more expensive single for the price of the
cheaper single (HYCC covered the difference).

Peter then took myself and another American client (Koreth) around Dalian, taking us to the big
squares, helping us by a public transport card, familiarizing us with Dalian's bus lines etc. In
addition he gave us a map to use came in quite handy.

A few days later Adam took us out for a bite and drinks (certainly not the last time he would do
so), and gave us some more tips about living in Dalian while introducing us to his friends. It was
a great and easy way to meet new people (Chinese and foreign) who were living in Dalian.

On to the university. I have to say I wasn't the happiest with the school. There were three levels
(usually there are something like 9, but since it was summer there were obviously less students).
I was placed in intermediate, which started with something like 27 students. The university
decided that this was simply too much (right on) and gave us an impossible placement test. Somehow
I placed into the faster paced class, which quite honestly I found to be way too easy (having
already studied a year at BNU). The advantage was that they used different books from BNU so I
learned a fair number of new characters and some new grammar but that most of the stuff was
review. Then I looked into the advanced level class and skimmed a book. I could read most of it
but the pace looked simply too fast, something that would have required at least 4-6 hours of
study a day, I would say. Not something I wanted to do in the summer at Dalian (this ended up
being a good move).

There were three classes, Reading comprehension, Speaking and reading/writing. I found Reading
comprehension to be worthless, Speaking had a great book, but we pretty much just read and didn't
speak (though I'd say the teacher was effective somehow), while reading and writing, well it just
wasn't good.

Dorms. Another major minus point. I was in a room that was 70 RMB a night. It was a single room
with a full bed, two pillows, tv, dresser, desk, chair, table, bathroom etc. The TV also had BBC
and CNN World (something I discovered later on). The bed can only be described as a box spring
with a thin mat over it. The pillows were literally bags of rice. The maids were supposed to clean
once a week and they cleaned my bathroom once the whole time. Oh and hot water? We had it for six
hours a day. Now I wouldn't moan about all of this if the price of housing was cheap (40 RMB or
less). Considering I stayed in a spotless double that was just as large (with bathroom with 24 hr
hot water), better lit, with comfortable beds and pillows and had daily maid service at BNU for 65
RMB a night, I simply found that the cost of the dorm was unjustified for what I got. Or maybe BNU
just spoiled me (though I was in Xinsong, a mid priced dorm).

I didn't have internet, but cafes are everywhere (one next to the bar/restaurant "START", as well
as the more upscale "Aladin" which is near Malan Square). A tip, don't buy a frequent user card
because you have to give out your passport number and then a bunch of websites will be magically
blocked when you try to access them (like my bank's web page).

There were other native Chinese students I befriended my first week there but since it was summer,
they decided to be normal students and go home. But I have to admit though that the classmates and
friends I had did not speak a lick of English. This is what made the program totally worth every
penny. I made some great non-English speaking friends who I met at the university with whom I hung
out with everyday. So my spoken Chinese improved incredibly.

The neighborhood. Absolutely fantastic. It's a very "Chinese" area in every sense of the word. The
shops, noises, smells etc. Old people play mah-johngg (sp) and cards on a daily basis and are more
than happy if you take an interest in what they are doing. They're engaging and will invite you to
sit down with them and watch. My friends and I also found a restaurant with good food and a great
owner and his wife who were friendly and would always speak with us, in addition to teaching us
Mah-johngg (sp) as well as the hilarious chuan'r guys who spoke worse Mandarin than we did. The
pace of life is slow and there is a seemingly daily routine to it that one not only gets used to
but cherishes.

In short: HYCC is awesome. They're friendly and help with everything. Use them. Adam and Mr. Wang
were apologetic in not meeting me personally at the airport, but they had Peter who was extremely
friendly, enthusiastic and helpful.

Liaoning Normal University: It was summer (which means relaxed classes, not many students and less
selection of courses), not many English speakers which was a huge plus. I was not happy at all
with the dorms, given their cost and would recommend anyone to get a flat or alternate
accomodation for a similar price.

If anyone has any questions about Dalian, HYCC or Lianoning Normal, I'd be more than happy to
answer them.



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mrtoga -

Yup, dorms are poor value at most univs, and not just in Dalian. However if you are only here on a
short summer course there are few alternatives. Maybe a guest house, but that would be further
from the campus and 70RMB does not stretch to a hotel.

As for classes in the summer, most universities struggle for a critical mass of students that
allows them to cater for all levels. This is especially a problem in the winter courses actually.
I think the way you did it was great - get out there, enjoy the summer and talk to everyone in
Chinese while using the classes for building up your knowledge bank of characters and sentence
patterns.

Enjoy the Autumn back in BJ, and come back to see us sometime!












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Sunday, November 16, 2008

Chinese Tutor - Question about Confucius -








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Heracles -

I'm working in a program about the famous person in China.
I hope someone may help me with the following question.
Do you k now about Confucius?
If you do,what kind of man you think he was? And what would you want to know further about him?
If you don't, plesae tell me the famous peole you know and are interested in China.


The question doesn't aim at chines peolpe,if any chinese want to answer it, please let me know.



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zozzen -

How many people you plan to list in your program? As there're too many "famous people" in every
dynasty, you better take out some of them based on different categories.

Here's some of them I can think of:
Legendary:
- 黃帝
- 倉頡
- 神農

Emperor:
- Qin's first emperor
- 李世民
- 武則天
- 康熙
- 傅儀

Politicans:
- 李斯
- 張居正
- 毛澤東

Writer:
- 蘇軾
- 辛棄疾
- 李白
- 杜甫
- 曹雪芹

Scientist:
- 李時珍
- 沈恬

Philosopher
- Laozi
- Confucius
- 墨子
- 孫子
- 六祖慧能










Heracles -

Thank you for your information, may be i fail to make the question clear.
The question can be understand like this, if someone mentions China, which person will come
firstly into your mind?










gato -

Mao Zedong probably, or maybe Yao Ming nowadays.










zozzen -

bruce lee's scream 'wahhh chhaaaaa' came to my mind. he is widely known in america, eastern and
western europe, middle east and china. just a few years ago a sculpture was elected in romania to
celebrate his fame. 30 years after his death, his movies was still broadcasted on the television
to memorize his achievement in hong kong. no chinese at his time can achieve his undisputed fame.

another influential chinese must be jinyong, a writer of martial art novels that were read and
heard by almost all chinese. no novelist in chinese history has reached this enormous readership
as he did in the past decades.










madizi -

In Romania? Are you sure? As far as I know they erected Bruce Lee's statue in Mostar (Bosnia and
Herzegovina). Here: http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english...ent_475139.htm










Heracles -

jinyong?
It really chocked me.Although he is very famous in China, mostly by his novel.
Western people really like him? And what kind of facts can impore it?










zozzen -

Thanks for the correction, madizi!












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